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alan dershowitz that was definitely

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something that stood out to me

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he has vehemently denied that he has

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engaged in any inappropriate conduct

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with any of the women and he's a great

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attorney I respect him as an attorney

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and he's a great advocate for himself I

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mean I absolutely positively believe him

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when he says so vehemently that he

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wasn't with any of the women but then

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when you hear Virginia gue Frey if I'm

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pronouncing it correctly

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flat out rised to his challenge where

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he's as I challenged her on this

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documentary to say that she had sex with

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me and they cut right to her yep I had

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sex with him six times what do you make

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of that you know I feel very much the

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same way you do and at the very

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beginning on that December 31st 2014

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when the world and I read Josh Karstens

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political story about Miss Roberts

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claims that professor Dershowitz

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sexually abused her I was shocked I mean

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it I think it shocked the world her

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about her claims and I had never heard

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it you know I have to say something I'm

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sorry that I have to take you all the

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way back but as you know I have been

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investigating cases human trafficking

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particularly child sex trafficking cases

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since the year 2006 and in 2009 I

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stumbled upon Epstein's case I've known

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Epstein I knew Epstein I was acquainted

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with Epstein Engel and Maxwell since the

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1990s since the early 90s so I have

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known them I have gone to dinner I had

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gone to dinner with them many times I

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had seen them at many events so when the

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darshan claim came forward and not

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knowing professor

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Dershowitz only having spoken to him

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back in 2010 when I broke the Epstein

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story wide open in The Daily Beast in

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that six-part series that started in

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July 2010 through January 2015 I was

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shocked and I immediately called

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professor Dershowitz and I asked him

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point-blank because it was to me it was

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truly shocking he had not spoken to me

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in nine years because he was very upset

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with me that I had written that six-part

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series which is what started this whole

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story rolling and and he invited me to

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his home in Florida and I sat with him

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and his wife for two almost two and a

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half hours back early this year and I

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have to tell you that and this is of

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course instinct I wasn't there now there

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was anyone else so instinctively I

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believe professor Dershowitz I am a

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victims advocate so I am so conflicted

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because my goal my mission in life is to

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protect vulnerable at-risk children from

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predators be they who they may may

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whether they are Harvard University

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professors or billionaires or the guy

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down the street that earns $50 a month

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it doesn't matter so I was very

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conflicted but after having heard

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professor Dershowitz sat down with him

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at his home heard his arguments you know

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I tend to believe professor Dershowitz

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that he did not so where does that leave

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miss Roberts in this whole thing I don't

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know I certainly believe she was

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victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn

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Maxwell that I do believe absolutely

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I've read through all the depositions

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know the very first step addition filed

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and a nine where she is Jane 102 Jane

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while she was in Australia civil suit

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when he was still in jail he was serving

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time and in Palm Beach

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she creamed her on her birthday being

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August 8th 1983 she claimed she was

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barely 15 when she met Epstein and she

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met Epstein because the Lynne Maxwell

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where she was working at him as a

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and so the Len convinced her obviously

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and persuaded her father to bring miss

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Roberts to Epstein's home but day 2

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mar-a-lago and apparently she did she

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away from her father so her father

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wasn't living nearby Miss Roberts and I

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parents have this instinct when it comes

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to their children and if I thought any

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one of my two children was being

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molested and someone came and asked my

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children to pay for their apartment

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right near me I would question them I

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definitely question that she was what

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age during those two years well she

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deposition that she met epsy when she

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was barely 15 and according to that

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deposition she was born August 8 1983

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now if you look at the other depositions

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she changes her age so she also claims

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that she was living with Epstein and

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being forced to sexually service him and

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his powerful friends for two years that

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would have made her 17 17 years old so

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New Mexico that put her in Palm Beach

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if you look at that Netflix documentary

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which is filled with misinformation and

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inaccuracies and gaping holes you

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realize that this one man who claims to

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have been Epstein's tech guy the one who

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set up his computer Steve Scully on the

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island on the island yes on the USB eye

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on USB eye mr. Scully claims that he saw

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her he witnessed Prince Andrew on top of

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Miss Roberts in 2004 how is that

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possible

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made a mistake absolutely people make

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mistakes you know that's a very long

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time ago but that Netflix and the

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producers didn't didn't fact check that

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sorry to be clear because you're saying

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Australia yeah well the other

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discrepancy with that and just for you

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has seen the documentary but the that

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she herself in the documentary doesn't

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allege that she was with percent Prince

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Andrew on the island she talks about the

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incident in London you've got that guy

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saying it happened and she herself isn't

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even accusing him of that honey I mean

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i disqualified the filthy-rich Netflix

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documentary for several reasons reason

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number one it wasn't really based on mr.

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most if you've read it I've read it

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it is mostly based on this one survivor

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who he did not interview and I know this

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for a fact because I've interviewed that

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survivor she's on air on camera in my

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daily beast January 2015 piece I've

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interviewed her and her mother and I've

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known them for many many years

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and so mr. Patterson and his co-author

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mr. Connolly wrote a book about a victim

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they didn't even interview granted you

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know that's not obviously necessary but

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it's better if you write a book about

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someone to interview them I'm just not

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allowed sorry I'm just gonna add that

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that I did read that book also when it

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has struck me as a money grab that book

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it was based on my stories you know I

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hate to say this because it sounds so

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braggadocious but because I'm coming

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from a whole different place you know I

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am really I'm trying to advocate for

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laws and for enforcement of current laws

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to protect our children in this country

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that's really truly what I want that's

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my mission in life i I hope and I knew

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from the get-go Jim that the moment this

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case became what it is today the laws

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would change and so I have somewhat

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succeeded this was not for money I mean

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it's great if money comes in because

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and sweat and blood and tears but but

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for me this was all about creating new

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laws and enforcing the trafficking

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Victims Protection Act which didn't seem

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to be enforced when I read the Exton

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case that's why I wrote the book

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that is why I wrote that book and that

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which will be published by Simon &

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Schuster pretty soon and that book will

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explain many things that other reporters

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have not explained and other people have

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not touched upon

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so what then would be your explanation

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if you believe Dershowitz for why

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Virginia would lie about that well

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imagine it's not even Virginia it's the

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lawyers who is going to make who always

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makes the most amount of money in any

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case usually the lawyer as a retired

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lawyer I'm going to take the fifth on

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that it's okay I will allow you I will

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accept it but the thing is that the

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attorneys who represent Virginia not

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today because today the attorneys who

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represented her recently was a very

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well-known attorney David Boies and his

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firm is very well known and established

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as you know however the attorney who

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began with a Virginia case and who then

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gave it over to David Boies is firm and

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in fact I was involved in that because I

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pottinger to attorney Brad Edwards and

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the reason I did that is because mr.

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looking for clients he needed clients

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because he was loosely associated with

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mr. Boies back in 2010 and when I met

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mr. Ponton drew I think it was maybe

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2012 or 13 but he was looking for cases

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and I knew that mr. Edwards was over his

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head not that he not that he couldn't

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fulfill of course his legal obligations

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but that you know the cases were

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difficult challenging mr. epsteen had a

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lot of money mr. Edwards at that time

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not any longer

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had a very small firm he had you know

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had he had had to deal with

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Epstein's shenanigans which were plenty

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and so I thought that it would be best

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for both attorneys Edwards and pottinger

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to come together and so I made a knee

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introduction and a phone introduction

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and that's how they became partners

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which is wonderful and in fact when I

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suggested to mr. Edwards he had filed a

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RICO case against Epstein and I had said

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to him you know Brad this is not a RICO

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case this is a child sex trafficking

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case here II identified the case which

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is the best thing he ever did so I'm

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humbled and grateful that he took on my

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suggestion to reaiiy denta Phi the

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Epstein case and he didn't pursue the

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RICO path because he was getting nowhere

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with that and so I really believe that

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you know these cases have developed in

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ways that you and I can only imagine you

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know there at the end of the line the

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attorneys who don't have a name mr.

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Edwards started off without a name he

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was up against a very rich and

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influential man mr. Epstein mr. Epstein

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had a dream team of attorneys beginning

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with professor Dershowitz ending with

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Kenneth Starr so how does a man like

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Edwards without a name within a little

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firm in South Florida

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unhhhh hardly known to anyone much less

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the world how is he gonna make a name

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for himself nobody was taking the

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Epstein case as seriously as you know I

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mean nobody you know how many times 27

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publishers turned me down what I when my

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agent submitted trafficking 27

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publishers well that was a big part of

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the documentary too wasn't it about the

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Vanity Fair article where that author

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remind me her name

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Micky Ward she you know she she has been

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going back and forth her her first

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article obviously because of mr. Carter

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Graydon Carter because he was very good

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friends with Glenn Maxwell so Graydon

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Carter it wasn't that mr. Newhouse I

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knew how swans Condon asked Wong's

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Vanity Fair well the late sign you know

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see he has since passed but sign

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Newhouse owned

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Conde Nast which own Vanity Fair &

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Graydon Carter was very close to Glenn

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and he was

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never going to allow any story that

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created you know a problem for miss

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Maxwell and mr. Epstein because they had

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all the powerful people in their pocket

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so but Miss Ward should have I think

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when I wrote The Daily Beast piece in

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2010 she should have absolutely come out

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immediately and said hey this is true

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she didn't do that in fact she wrote a

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piece on behalf of Galan Maxwell and mr.

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Epstein and she called Epstein's

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criminal acts quote and I quote this

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peccadilloes which shocked me and I went

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to my editor Tina Brown and I said to

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Tina Brown Tina how could Vicky Ward

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call Epstein's criminal acts

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peccadilloes she said don't get into a

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fight with Vicky Ward and and I didn't

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and I dropped it and I thought you know

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what this is not about me or her this is

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about what we need to do to change the

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law yeah well it is interesting in the

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documentary Vicky is essentially saying

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that she was crying and totally beside

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herself that that part of her story that

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Epstein was abusing underage girls was

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taken out of the article it sounds like

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you don't believe that I'd like you to

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read her subsequent blogs after the 2003

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she she wrote a couple of articles

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hopefully they haven't been taken down

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but they the links are in my book in

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trafficking and I'd like you to read

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them and I want you to form your own

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opinion okay yeah I mean it's it's a big

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base for the whole documentary because

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they're insinuating that had that come

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to light in 2003 everything would have

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changed because there was the two

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sisters in New York absolutely whose

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stories were never told absolutely

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correct if Miss Ward had pressed for

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that story to come out in 2003 Epson

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would have been in jail on to your point

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it didn't even necessarily have to be in

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the story okay so

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Vanity Fair doesn't publish it but she

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knows the truth he's gonna have still

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spoken out on it absolutely she could

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have gone to another publication I went

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to multiple publications I mean I can

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tell you how many newspapers I went to

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beginning with the New York Times and

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ending with the Wall Street Journal and

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the Miami Herald the Miami Herald didn't

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want to hear about the Epstein case and

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it was geographically you know viable

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for them

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so bottom line wrapping up on Dershowitz

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you believe Dershowitz over Virginia and

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therefore Virginia's credibility really

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is significantly damaged because if

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she's making this up about Dershowitz

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we're not sure exactly what we can

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believe in and what not to believe from

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her well I believe this I believe that

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Virginia was a victim I still see her as

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a victim because this was a young girl

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you know at that age you're you are you

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are frail you're full of innocence and

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full of hope and dreams and and and I

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think she was a young girl who had a

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very hard childhood she was raped by a

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man named Ron appender before Epstein

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who just according to her deposition

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happened to be Epstein's friend I've

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never met Ron epidural know who he is

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I've never interviewed him I've never

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even attempted to do so however it's

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very interesting to know according to

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Virginia Roberts that she was raped by

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this friend of Epstein and then that she

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would agree and that her father who

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lived close by would agree to allow

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Epstein to pay for his daughter's

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apartment for two years that to me is

391
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just odd well isn't that the father

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pimping out his daughter well that's

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what it right that's what it seems like

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to me so to meet this poor girl

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absolutely is a victim but did in fact

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the question last do I believe mr.

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Dershowitz I have to say I do I

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to say that I you know I have spoken to

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him for a long time now I I just don't

400
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see how he could have did did he have

401
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massages my girl maybe she gave him a

402
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massage I mean did he have massages I

403
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would believe that absolutely what

404
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person doesn't have a massage I mean yes

405
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but did it go from a massage by a

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fourteen-year-old to sexual intercourse

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or assault that's a whole different

408
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kettle of fish all right let's turn to

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Bill Clinton so in the documentary they

410
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talked about the number of flights that

411
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he was on with Epstein and I know it was

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in the 20s I think I wrote down 28

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whatever it was but is that you agree

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with that no 20 yes I read I have a

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pilot log and I have the manifestos and

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according to the documents he was on

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different flights on different years

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different dates different times 26 times

419
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okay so 26 times on the plane and

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according to the documentary again I

421
00:21:13,410 --> 00:21:10,360
think it was the AV guy on the island

422
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who said that he saw Clinton on the

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island

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yes but Clinton says I've never been to

425
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the island so who do you believe on that

426
00:21:29,460 --> 00:21:26,860
one well you know I think one must

427
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respect a president of any country and

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and with do and with due respect I mr.

429
00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:40,210
Clinton has been caught lying so many

430
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times before he became president of the

431
00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:45,430
United States there were nine lawsuits

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filed against him by women who claimed

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sexual harassment I don't believe mr.

434
00:22:03,150 --> 00:21:58,060
Clinton is a person who always tells the

435
00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:03,160
truth so most likely he was on the

436
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island and but he's lied about that so

437
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:08,770
then if he didn't engage in any improper

438
00:22:13,470 --> 00:22:11,530
conduct you could ask then why is he

439
00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:13,480
lying about being on the island I think

440
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Dershowitz was

441
00:22:18,930 --> 00:22:17,410
the island and there was it sounds based

442
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:18,940
on the AV guy and some of his stories

443
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:21,730
that you know sometimes there was lots

444
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:23,410
of hijinks going on in the island and

445
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sometimes there wasn't a guy could come

446
00:22:30,780 --> 00:22:27,370
on and nothing is going on in Epstein is

447
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conducting a business meeting so why

448
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clinton would deny going to the island

449
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is definitely pretty suspicious if in

450
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:37,890
fact he was there number one number two

451
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twenty four times on a private jet with

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Epstein basically it seems to me tells

453
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,450
you that he had to know what Epstein was

454
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:48,880
up to regardless of whether or not he

455
00:22:55,770 --> 00:22:52,000
participated in it one time with Epstein

456
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with girls on the plane you would know

457
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one time not twenty four well and to be

458
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clear so on these twenty four trips are

459
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:02,170
you saying there was girls on the plane

460
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each time well from what I've read if

461
00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:08,050
you read the current cases I think one

462
00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:13,510
young lady claims that she was a model

463
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and I don't want to give her name but

464
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this Jane Doe claims that she was a

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model and that she went with mr. Epstein

466
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with a late apps teen and with President

467
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Clinton to Africa and she was taken on

468
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that trip because and she names not only

469
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President Clinton but Kevin Spacey and

470
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Chris Tucker because Epstein wanted to

471
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introduce her to his friends well is

472
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that the same woman that's interviewed

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in the documentary yes okay so but she

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does not allege that anything untoward

475
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absolutely I'm not saying there is I'm

476
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just saying that there were girls so I'm

477
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you know the president the former

478
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president is a very bright man and an

479
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intuitive man well I keep wondering you

480
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know when the other shoes gonna drop as

481
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it pertains to other men because it's

482
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certainly believed that this was a some

483
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type of a blackmail scheme and if it was

484
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a black male scheme then he's got the

485
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goods on man

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with underage women so do you who is he

487
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Epstein should have spoken to him in the

488
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past but Epstein if it was a blackmail

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scheme he had the goods on some very

490
00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:44,710
important men oh absolutely that's why

491
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:47,860
he had cameras in all of his homes and

492
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:50,950
monitors and I believe that's also why

493
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:55,200
the FBI raided his private island home

494
00:25:00,720 --> 00:24:58,840
after he died I mean the case was closed

495
00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:00,730
oh you know they knew that the case was

496
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:03,070
going to be closed you cannot have a

497
00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:05,530
criminal case with a dead person against

498
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a dead person so why would the FBI after

499
00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:12,190
the fact meaning after his death on

500
00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:15,460
August 12th 2019 raid his private island

501
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,550
home they were looking for something so

502
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:20,080
you have no doubt that he was running a

503
00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:23,170
blackmail scheme Epstein I don't think

504
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:25,000
he was running it I just thought he

505
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protected himself and in every way and

506
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the way to protect yourself if if girls

507
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are going to come forward and claim

508
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:39,010
obviously criminal activity he's going

509
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to make sure or he was going to make

510
00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:43,270
sure that everyone else who was involved

511
00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:45,580
in the same criminal activities was also

512
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won't get caught right so there's a big

513
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:50,650
difference between that basically just

514
00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:53,640
to protect his own perverted lifestyle

515
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versus affirmatively getting goods on

516
00:26:02,190 --> 00:25:59,710
people not just so he has protection for

517
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:02,200
himself if it were to come to that but

518
00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:04,510
to affirmatively use against them to get

519
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:08,230
policy changes that he or people putting

520
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:11,680
him in this position ie Israel Mossad so

521
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,010
where do you stand on that well two

522
00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:16,720
things number one in one of the

523
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:19,480
depositions Virginia Roberts claims in

524
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the deposition and I quote the Epstein

525
00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:26,320
told her when she asked why Bill Clinton

526
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:28,600
was on the plane and this was on a

527
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:31,990
deposition taken by Jack's gorilla and

528
00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:34,770
Brad Edwards over the telephone after

529
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:37,630
Sharon Church er published the Prince

530
00:26:47,419 --> 00:26:41,980
Andrew scandal with Virginia Robert

531
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:47,429
and they took a deposition in 2011 and

532
00:26:53,389 --> 00:26:52,210
2011 Virginia tells mr. Corolla and mr.

533
00:26:58,860 --> 00:26:53,399
Edwards

534
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:58,870
Epstein told me that they are in my

535
00:27:05,009 --> 00:27:02,320
pockets meaning mr. Clinton and everyone

536
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:05,019
else who was influential who flew with

537
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:07,090
him was in his pockets

538
00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:09,490
in his pocket why we have to ask

539
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:12,070
ourselves why were they in his pocket

540
00:27:16,259 --> 00:27:14,110
they did each other favors

541
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:16,269
he explained Epstein explained to

542
00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:20,399
Virginia so that's number one number two

543
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,500
I believe that mr. Epstein knew what he

544
00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:28,960
was doing he was I mean I knew Epstein

545
00:27:34,889 --> 00:27:31,240
he was a highly intelligent man he was a

546
00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:34,899
numbers man he was driven by only one

547
00:27:43,019 --> 00:27:39,700
thing and that thing that drove him was

548
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:43,029
money that's all he wanted you know he

549
00:27:47,639 --> 00:27:44,769
was not a married man he was not a

550
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:47,649
family man he'd never had children with

551
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:51,970
anyone and he didn't even have animals

552
00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:54,130
you know wasn't a man who liked animals

553
00:28:00,680 --> 00:27:56,860
are like children or no no he was driven

554
00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:00,690
by only one thing money and being around

555
00:28:10,259 --> 00:28:07,720
powerful people and sex well and sit

556
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,269
which which again kind of begs that

557
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:13,440
question he clearly was a sex addict and

558
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:16,210
he knows that he was engaging in conduct

559
00:28:21,509 --> 00:28:20,289
that was illegal not all of his conduct

560
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:21,519
was illegal because I think some of the

561
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:23,490
women were of age but but many were not

562
00:28:31,649 --> 00:28:29,769
so was the recording of others simply to

563
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:31,659
protect him if he ever got into trouble

564
00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:34,389
or do you believe that he was using it

565
00:28:40,259 --> 00:28:37,059
on behalf of some type of other foreign

566
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:40,269
interests to blackmail them I think it

567
00:28:45,389 --> 00:28:42,580
could have been both I know one thing

568
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:45,399
I've been digging a little bit more and

569
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:50,730
as you can imagine him and we know now

570
00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:54,970
given a New York Times report that came

571
00:28:59,520 --> 00:28:55,720
out back in

572
00:29:01,560 --> 00:28:59,530
2004 by a reporter named Lisa Miller who

573
00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:01,570
is no longer with the New York Times I

574
00:29:06,029 --> 00:29:03,820
think she's now either with the New

575
00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:06,039
Yorker or the neat no not the New Yorker

576
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:08,380
I think she was now with the New York

577
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:10,450
magazine and it wasn't a New York Times

578
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:11,500
forgiving me it was the Wall Street

579
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:14,890
Journal and she wrote about a group

580
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:17,470
called the mega group and it is a group

581
00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:20,760
very worth worthwhile group in fact

582
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:25,000
professor Dershowitz confirmed the the

583
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:30,130
the presence of this group their mission

584
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:33,610
is to raise charity for Jewish causes

585
00:29:44,669 --> 00:29:40,990
and I believe from what I have found so

586
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:44,679
far that Epstein was a sort of ornament

587
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:47,890
for this group so perhaps back to your

588
00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:53,230
question you know these were the men who

589
00:30:02,700 --> 00:29:56,350
belong to the mega group are considered

590
00:30:08,779 --> 00:30:02,710
America's 20 richest Jewish men and I

591
00:30:13,740 --> 00:30:11,460
believe that if they used Epstein

592
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,750
because I know that Professor darshan

593
00:30:17,549 --> 00:30:15,760
would spoke at the group's home let's

594
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,559
just say that the co-founder of that

595
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,120
group was Leslie Wetzel

596
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:22,080
he is a co-founder of the mega group and

597
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:27,250
if their mission was to raise charity

598
00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:29,710
for Jewish causes their secondary

599
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:33,669
mission was to influence u.s. foreign

600
00:30:40,169 --> 00:30:37,450
policy toward the Middle East well take

601
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:40,179
that a step further I'm sure you know

602
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:40,870
what that means

603
00:30:48,210 --> 00:30:45,039
so in light of these of this mission

604
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,220
there are a lot of things that any

605
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:51,600
anyone in power needs to do to influence

606
00:31:01,649 --> 00:30:57,030
u.s. foreign policy one of them can be

607
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:01,659
as simple as bribing threatening get it

608
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:03,730
taking pictures you know a hood Barack

609
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,250
was a good friend of Epstein he came in

610
00:31:09,090 --> 00:31:08,080
and out of Epstein's home he was on his

611
00:31:11,549 --> 00:31:09,100
plane

612
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:11,559
there are pictures of him walking into

613
00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:16,870
Epstein's Manhattan townhouse with young

614
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:19,900
girls well he was not only the Prime

615
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Minister he was also the defense

616
00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:22,210
minister

617
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:24,580
why was he friends with Epstein what was

618
00:31:28,890 --> 00:31:26,230
Epstein giving him beside the money that

619
00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:28,900
he gave him to start carbine a company

620
00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:33,280
that mr. Barak owns and so I'm sorry

621
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:35,080
don't you think perhaps the answer lies

622
00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:39,070
in the plea deal from South Florida

623
00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:41,140
where we still scratch our heads as to

624
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:44,440
how he got off we know that he had the

625
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:46,090
dream team of dream teams as far as

626
00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:47,470
lawyers are concerned but even that

627
00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:49,780
doesn't quite explain the sweetheart

628
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:51,640
deal that they got and we know that the

629
00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:54,520
Attorney General was consulted on that

630
00:32:00,299 --> 00:31:56,830
and weighed in and it certainly looks

631
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:00,309
like something was waved off what's your

632
00:32:04,169 --> 00:32:02,710
well well I I don't want to give it all

633
00:32:06,659 --> 00:32:04,179
away because I want you to read my

634
00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:06,669
second book but a lot of that

635
00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:09,700
information confirmed is in my second

636
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:11,470
book what really happened I'm just going

637
00:32:18,899 --> 00:32:16,000
to say this unlike what everyone

638
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:18,909
believes that mr. Acosta was the culprit

639
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:21,940
behind that non-prosecution agreement

640
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,049
I now have confirmation from two

641
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:29,440
attorneys who worked on the case on the

642
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:32,650
Epstein non-prosecution agreement that

643
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:36,850
Acosta had his hands tied from the

644
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:40,780
get-go and it was never negotiated by

645
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:43,150
Acosta of course as a United States

646
00:32:48,029 --> 00:32:45,610
Attorney his office he was a

647
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:48,039
representative so yes he takes the blame

648
00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:52,980
he's the fall guy but the deal was never

649
00:33:01,770 --> 00:32:56,580
negotiated by a cost I was negotiated on

650
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:01,780
the usal side by Jeffrey Sloman and Anna

651
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:04,600
Maria V afonya and on the Epstein side

652
00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:10,510
it was negotiated by Kenneth Starr and J

653
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:13,870
Lefkowitz but then it went all the way

654
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:16,809
to the top and when I asked professor

655
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:19,860
Dershowitz why he said it was too

656
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:22,920
high-profile and that's why Acosta

657
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:27,520
did not negotiate the case and what made

658
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:32,110
it high-profile well let's begin with

659
00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:34,690
mr. Leslie Wexner and then work our way

660
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:40,180
down and Bill Clinton of course and I

661
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:42,430
and I only say Leslie Wexner before

662
00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:45,330
President Clinton because he's worth

663
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:48,160
many billions more than President

664
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:49,930
Clinton well let's talk about that

665
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:53,080
relationship quickly we did a full

666
00:33:58,350 --> 00:33:56,470
episode on that with the guy from Ohio

667
00:34:00,530 --> 00:33:58,360
who was featured in the documentary and

668
00:34:03,299 --> 00:34:00,540
blanking on his name the reporter there

669
00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:03,309
but they sort of imply in the

670
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:05,980
documentary that Epstein had sexual

671
00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:09,600
relations with Wexner as a way to

672
00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:15,940
basically blackmail him you know I'm not

673
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:19,720
or was ever in mr. Epstein's head thank

674
00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:24,030
God but I must say that was a very

675
00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:27,399
long-term relationship it was an

676
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:29,409
intimate relationship for many many

677
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:30,990
years

678
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:35,500
and there is no doubt that when a man

679
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:37,720
gives another man the power of attorney

680
00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:43,090
over his entire financial estate the

681
00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:49,840
feelings run deep and he went supposedly

682
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:53,320
Epstein betrayed him and supposedly

683
00:34:59,340 --> 00:34:57,730
stole 40 50 million dollars Wexler

684
00:35:03,000 --> 00:34:59,350
didn't do anything about it he only

685
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:03,010
recently has he reported that I find it

686
00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:06,280
odd like you that he did not report a

687
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:09,220
crime worth forty six point seven

688
00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:12,850
million dollars that allegedly mr.

689
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:17,380
Wexner claims Epstein extorted ten years

690
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:19,990
earlier if you are if you go missing

691
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:21,730
forty six point seven million dollars

692
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,950
even if it's your best friend wouldn't

693
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:26,320
you report it to the police I mean by

694
00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:27,780
the way you better report it to the IRS

695
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:31,660
right so we know the FBI is moving on

696
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:33,970
this because the latest news this I

697
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:35,470
think was this week is that

698
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:37,570
they are insisting on meeting with

699
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:40,810
Prince Andrew so I'd like to get your

700
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:43,510
thoughts on that but also on if they

701
00:35:47,099 --> 00:35:45,609
want to meet with Prince Andrew seems to

702
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:47,109
me they should want to meet with Bill

703
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:51,520
Clinton and and les Wexner I totally

704
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:54,310
agree I completely agree with you

705
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,010
but that's getting pretty serious if the

706
00:36:01,050 --> 00:35:58,960
FBI is insisting on meeting with a

707
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:01,060
former president well it's not the FBI

708
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:03,369
it's the Attorney General William bar

709
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:06,130
the Attorney General William bar gave an

710
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:08,830
interview I believe it was Monday this

711
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:12,690
Monday is past Monday June 8th two

712
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:16,630
special report Fox News and in the

713
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:21,070
interview mr. barish Bret Baier asks him

714
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:25,630
point-blank will Prince Andrew be

715
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,760
extradited and mr. Bar and I don't want

716
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:33,520
wish to quote him but mr. Barr said

717
00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:37,450
something to the effect we want to

718
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:40,390
interview him interview is the word that

719
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:44,140
he used and so I believe that when the

720
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:45,609
Attorney General of the United States

721
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:49,359
wishes to interview someone that person

722
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:52,990
will be interviewed mm-hmm so the

723
00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:55,570
allegation against him was in made by

724
00:36:59,700 --> 00:36:58,420
Virginia herself again

725
00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:59,710
she doesn't accuse him of doing

726
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:01,540
something on the island it was on this

727
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,369
trip to London where they go out to a

728
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:05,680
nightclub the pictures taken that night

729
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:07,690
and then she has sex with him that night

730
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:10,150
according to her how old would she have

731
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:12,460
been at that point well if she was only

732
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:14,770
with mr. epsteen the two years that she

733
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,530
claims she was living with mr. Epstein

734
00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:20,320
I'm only with Andrew you mean she wasn't

735
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:22,119
with Andrew during those two years yeah

736
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:26,140
no no if she was only with mr. Epstein

737
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:29,470
meaning she could only have been no

738
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:32,290
older than 17 because she starts with

739
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:35,020
mr. she starts living with Epstein meets

740
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,230
Epstein at 15 and she only stays with

741
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:40,500
him two years until she goes to Thailand

742
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:44,530
so 1998 through 2000

743
00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:47,800
if it's true that if her claims are true

744
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:49,270
then she must have

745
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,310
met Andrew between 1998 and the year

746
00:37:59,490 --> 00:37:57,520
2000 but then go back to when Prince

747
00:38:01,590 --> 00:37:59,500
Andrew met Jeffrey Epstein and according

748
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:01,600
to Prince Andrew he met Jeffrey Epstein

749
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:05,560
in 1999 in Palm Beach through Glenn

750
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:10,210
Maxwell so if Andrew met Epstein in 1999

751
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:15,510
for the very first time then obviously

752
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:19,660
miss Roberts could only have had one

753
00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:23,830
year in which to have serviced Andrew at

754
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:26,920
Epstein's behest so it makes it very

755
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:31,180
likely that she was perhaps 17 and what

756
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:32,980
are the rules in Britain about that is

757
00:38:42,590 --> 00:38:39,730
17 yes it's in London 17 is age of

758
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:42,600
consent but it is not in New York and

759
00:38:49,110 --> 00:38:45,850
not in the USVI and not in Florida and

760
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:49,120
she claims that she was sexually abused

761
00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:53,110
by Andrew in New York where the age of

762
00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:56,140
consent is 18 or at least it was at that

763
00:39:02,460 --> 00:38:58,270
time I think it might have changed to 16

764
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:02,470
and in the USVI it's 18 but you know

765
00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:04,510
regardless of the age of consent and

766
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:06,700
wherever it took place which makes it

767
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,070
technically statutory rape

768
00:39:13,830 --> 00:39:12,400
yes the truth is I think most people are

769
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:13,840
not going to get terribly worked up

770
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:17,500
about 17 I know a lot of states are

771
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,190
actually 16 give me your thoughts on

772
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:23,920
that what should be the age of consent

773
00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:28,260
should we be should we be upset about a

774
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:30,520
I don't know how old he was a diamond

775
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:33,130
mid 40 year old man I'm having sex with

776
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:40,780
a 17 year old I don't you know making

777
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:43,480
love with someone or having sex with

778
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:46,770
someone is is such a personal private

779
00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:51,310
intimate matter and it did I think every

780
00:39:58,860 --> 00:39:54,460
girl is different perhaps to a 16 year

781
00:40:02,640 --> 00:39:58,870
old girl having to have intercourse with

782
00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:02,650
a man she loves or likes a lot

783
00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:05,140
there's no big deal yet to another girl

784
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:10,180
it is catastrophic so I can't I wouldn't

785
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:13,390
be it wouldn't be correct of me to say

786
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:16,660
that one that one age should be legal

787
00:40:21,749 --> 00:40:19,150
over another you know children develop

788
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:21,759
at different stages and a 14 year old

789
00:40:28,789 --> 00:40:25,390
could be very promiscuous and a 16 year

790
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:28,799
old could be saint-like so you know

791
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:32,710
however states have different laws and

792
00:40:40,739 --> 00:40:36,910
it it really depends if the child the

793
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:40,749
girl or the boy and you know believe

794
00:40:47,609 --> 00:40:43,150
that they were being abused and they

795
00:40:51,959 --> 00:40:47,619
were not voluntarily having intercourse

796
00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:51,969
with someone then you know that is a

797
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:54,549
criminal matter well it raises the

798
00:41:00,599 --> 00:40:56,529
bigger question regarding Epstein and

799
00:41:02,729 --> 00:41:00,609
that is how upset should we be about all

800
00:41:06,509 --> 00:41:02,739
this I mean all of us know that if we're

801
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:06,519
talking about true children right it's

802
00:41:11,579 --> 00:41:08,950
absolutely disgusting and you want to

803
00:41:14,009 --> 00:41:11,589
see the person you know executed on the

804
00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:14,019
spot it starts getting very murky when

805
00:41:18,660 --> 00:41:15,880
you start talking about 16 and 17 year

806
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:18,670
olds yes there's some allegations that

807
00:41:23,969 --> 00:41:21,910
go down to 2:14 um and I think we'd all

808
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:23,979
probably very easily agree that 14 is

809
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:26,410
definitely too young but it also seems

810
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:28,569
like those were more the exception

811
00:41:32,969 --> 00:41:30,700
rather than the rule that first of all I

812
00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:32,979
think a lot of the women were 18 or

813
00:41:36,209 --> 00:41:34,900
older and in fact in the documentary

814
00:41:37,979 --> 00:41:36,219
there's the masseuse that talks since

815
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:37,989
she was 20 years old so this wasn't

816
00:41:43,979 --> 00:41:41,529
exclusively about wondering well no no

817
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:43,989
wait I've spread too many cases I've

818
00:41:50,579 --> 00:41:46,930
read hundreds of filed filings many many

819
00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:50,589
girls were 14 15 many girls in fact

820
00:41:55,739 --> 00:41:52,150
there's one girl in this documentary

821
00:41:57,989 --> 00:41:55,749
that claims that she was a victim in

822
00:41:59,700 --> 00:41:57,999
fact I really didn't see her as a victim

823
00:42:03,089 --> 00:41:59,710
and I'll tell you why her name is Haley

824
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,099
Robson and she was 17 according to her

825
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:05,920
the police arrest report according to

826
00:42:13,859 --> 00:42:09,910
the deposition several depositions Haley

827
00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:13,869
Robson met Epstein in Florida at his

828
00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:16,150
Palm Beach home and that

829
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:18,700
according to her she did not allow him

830
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:21,549
to touch her when he attempted to touch

831
00:42:25,859 --> 00:42:24,130
her on their first visit when he asked

832
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:25,869
her to give him a massage and he

833
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,660
realized right away according to his

834
00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:31,359
deposition and her deposition and the

835
00:42:37,529 --> 00:42:34,990
police report that she was a no-nonsense

836
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:37,539
kind of girl and in fact she is because

837
00:42:44,819 --> 00:42:40,410
her father is a retired policeman and

838
00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:44,829
Hayley Robson from the get-go told

839
00:42:53,819 --> 00:42:49,240
Epstein I will bring girls and he agreed

840
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:53,829
he get he actually asked her if he

841
00:42:58,380 --> 00:42:56,049
couldn't touch her would she be amenable

842
00:43:00,120 --> 00:42:58,390
to bringing girls and she started

843
00:43:02,819 --> 00:43:00,130
bringing girls in fact she brought the

844
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:02,829
first the girl who opened the Epstein

845
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,089
case she's the one who brought that girl

846
00:43:13,289 --> 00:43:09,760
into Epstein's Speer and I also believe

847
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:13,299
that if you and she was 17 years old

848
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:18,010
Hayley Robson was 17 soon to be 18 state

849
00:43:24,569 --> 00:43:21,450
age of consent in Florida is 18 and

850
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:24,579
Epstein did not touch her so was she a

851
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:26,410
victim as she claims in the Netflix

852
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:29,770
documentary I'm not so sure well and

853
00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:31,990
there is I think one woman and I think

854
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,460
it was the masseuse again who I think

855
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:36,160
was 20 and my initial reaction is okay

856
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:37,960
she's 20 years old why is she even in

857
00:43:42,839 --> 00:43:40,210
this but then she ultimately accused him

858
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:42,849
of raping her what is your belief

859
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:46,690
regarding flat-out you know traditional

860
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:49,839
not statutory rape but regular rape as

861
00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:52,210
to your point that was a story where the

862
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:55,630
woman said no and and Epstein didn't go

863
00:44:00,329 --> 00:43:57,369
forward with it he seemed to have plenty

864
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,339
of women who were willing to do it any

865
00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:02,079
response to being paid so do you believe

866
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:03,819
any of these outright violent rape

867
00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:07,950
allegations you know the one thing I

868
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:10,869
sensed always about Epstein is that he

869
00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:13,750
was not a violent violent man meaning he

870
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:16,660
I think he was a bit of a coward in the

871
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:18,670
sense that if somebody tells him and

872
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:20,380
I've read many of his depositions and

873
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:22,420
when he has tried to do something and

874
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:24,490
the girls have not wanted him to he has

875
00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:28,329
stopped that's what I've read and so I

876
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:30,280
think a twenty-year-old

877
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:33,220
you know it all now boils down to money

878
00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:34,930
everybody wants you know he has an

879
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:38,619
enormous estate 600 million estate so

880
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:42,730
anybody who can get a part of that money

881
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:45,520
is going to come forward and and that's

882
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:47,530
what we've got to realize that many of

883
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:48,340
these girls

884
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:52,090
I haven't read every case meaning all

885
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,490
the you know hundreds of cases but I've

886
00:45:00,510 --> 00:44:57,760
read enough to know that I think the

887
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:00,520
girls that continuously come to his

888
00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:01,990
house remember these girls were not

889
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:05,590
shackled they were not they were not

890
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:07,240
forced to live with him he didn't have

891
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:10,540
him in a basement you know they came

892
00:45:20,609 --> 00:45:14,970
voluntarily to his house and were paid

893
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:20,619
two hundred upwards to perform sexual

894
00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:24,570
services were they victims at 14 15 yes

895
00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:27,880
absolutely because you know they knew

896
00:45:32,099 --> 00:45:30,340
very little about life and about things

897
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:32,109
and were they in a vulnerable position

898
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:35,950
absolutely but you have to ask yourself

899
00:45:41,070 --> 00:45:38,530
I certainly ask myself why would someone

900
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:41,080
stay with someone if they feel bad

901
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:43,690
they're not shackled they're not you

902
00:45:50,099 --> 00:45:46,720
know locked up in a room so they can

903
00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:50,109
freely come and go if they're 16 years

904
00:45:57,830 --> 00:45:55,600
old 17 if they feel bad why are they

905
00:46:03,090 --> 00:45:57,840
coming back again and again

906
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:03,100
and how do you explain them is that part

907
00:46:10,590 --> 00:46:06,310
of the victimhood Mike yes I think it is

908
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:10,600
I think it's partially it's part of low

909
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:14,380
self-esteem broken home you know maybe

910
00:46:22,170 --> 00:46:17,310
you know many of these girls had a very

911
00:46:26,190 --> 00:46:22,180
difficult home life all of that is part

912
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:26,200
of it lack of you know financial

913
00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:30,430
security perhaps living with one parent

914
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,590
and not both I mean that you know men

915
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:35,680
many elements come into play here so the

916
00:46:38,849 --> 00:46:36,850
thing that you would be most worked up

917
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,859
about as far as Epstein goes it would be

918
00:46:43,579 --> 00:46:41,440
the recruitment of these girls who would

919
00:46:46,729 --> 00:46:43,589
have been more say 1450

920
00:46:49,279 --> 00:46:46,739
sixteen sixteen sixteen seventeen I

921
00:46:51,709 --> 00:46:49,289
think you know I think it's still a 14

922
00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:51,719
15 year-old girl I mean just I don't

923
00:46:57,529 --> 00:46:54,299
know you know I I've spoken to many

924
00:47:00,259 --> 00:46:57,539
victims and because of my work I am

925
00:47:02,539 --> 00:47:00,269
around young victims and see them and

926
00:47:05,989 --> 00:47:02,549
talk to them and so a 14 15 year-old

927
00:47:08,749 --> 00:47:05,999
girl who's really a little girl do you

928
00:47:13,940 --> 00:47:08,759
think we're gonna hear other names of

929
00:47:17,029 --> 00:47:13,950
men I think so do you want you know of

930
00:47:20,299 --> 00:47:17,039
any that we haven't heard of yet or do

931
00:47:20,839 --> 00:47:20,309
we need to wait for the book you'll know

932
00:47:25,549 --> 00:47:20,849
soon

933
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:25,559
and what about Gillen how you know you

934
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:28,140
watch the documentary and you're just

935
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:29,849
thinking holy cow at least the way they

936
00:47:34,579 --> 00:47:32,249
portray it she's right there with them

937
00:47:37,789 --> 00:47:34,589
through all this even participating in

938
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:37,799
sex acts with him and you wonder man

939
00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:39,420
what is taking them so long to get a

940
00:47:44,989 --> 00:47:42,630
hold of her well there is you know I and

941
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:44,999
I want to quote what professor

942
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:46,710
Dershowitz said because I asked him

943
00:47:54,529 --> 00:47:50,690
something today there is not one

944
00:47:57,499 --> 00:47:54,539
criminal suit filed against Glenn

945
00:48:00,140 --> 00:47:57,509
Maxwell and I all of them are civil as

946
00:48:04,489 --> 00:48:00,150
you know and I thought to myself why

947
00:48:08,839 --> 00:48:04,499
hasn't any of the survivors come forward

948
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:08,849
and filed a criminal complaint and we

949
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,119
know that two years ago the statute of

950
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:14,940
limitation was changed for victims of

951
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:17,910
sex trafficking there is no longer a

952
00:48:23,299 --> 00:48:21,390
statute of limitations so I asked for a

953
00:48:27,049 --> 00:48:23,309
Dershowitz and I'm going to quote what

954
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:27,059
he said he said the Constitution does

955
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:31,249
not permit expanding a statue of

956
00:48:41,749 --> 00:48:35,249
limitation for a crime after it has

957
00:48:43,549 --> 00:48:41,759
expired you're an attorney yeah well you

958
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:43,559
know that came a big time in with the

959
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:46,410
Catholic Church and then trying to

960
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:49,319
expand it for that and I think Dersch

961
00:48:54,289 --> 00:48:51,210
which is probably right it doesn't make

962
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:54,299
sense that you could expand it after the

963
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:56,729
criminal act but I believe in the

964
00:49:00,590 --> 00:48:57,590
Catholic Church

965
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,600
situation they did so and may prosecute

966
00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:02,400
it based on that so I'm not sure what

967
00:49:05,540 --> 00:49:03,990
the courts are saying about that right

968
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:05,550
well that's I think that's a legal

969
00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:07,770
matter it has to be taken up and that's

970
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:10,550
a law that should change because if

971
00:49:18,370 --> 00:49:14,580
victims survivors are allowed to file

972
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:18,380
civil complaints and receive damages ie

973
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:21,330
compensation financial compensation they

974
00:49:29,410 --> 00:49:24,890
should also be able to file criminally

975
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:29,420
where do you think she is Gillen in a

976
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:34,619
non-extraditable country and probably

977
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:40,430
last thing to just touch on a course is

978
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:43,859
the death Epstein's death and all the

979
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:46,609
conspiracy theories their documentary

980
00:49:52,099 --> 00:49:49,890
touches on it notes that you know

981
00:49:54,859 --> 00:49:52,109
Michael Baden who now is coming up again

982
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:54,869
in the George Floyd case he seems to be

983
00:50:00,560 --> 00:49:57,570
the guy also in the OJ case who comes

984
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:00,570
forward and gives the autopsy report

985
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,670
that whoever hired him to give once

986
00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:05,760
right so Epstein's brother hires him

987
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:08,430
doesn't want it to be suicide presumably

988
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:10,350
perhaps because of insurance or who

989
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:12,540
knows why and sure enough biden comes

990
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,180
back and says probably not suicide even

991
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,040
though the medical examiner had had said

992
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:19,440
suicide in the george floyd situation

993
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,540
you also had the family hiring him and

994
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:23,400
he comes up with an autopsy report that

995
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:25,740
is different than the Minnesota health

996
00:50:32,090 --> 00:50:29,970
examiner had come up with so that seemed

997
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:32,100
to me to be the only evidence the

998
00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:33,750
documentary presented that it was other

999
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:36,420
than suicide what are your thoughts two

1000
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:38,190
things I spoke to mark I have been

1001
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:39,359
speaking to mark Epstein

1002
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:41,910
since Epstein was arrested his brother

1003
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:44,609
was arrested very early on I think the

1004
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:46,430
very first conversation that I had with

1005
00:50:55,099 --> 00:50:52,230
mark Epstein which was lengthy I said to

1006
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:55,109
him he said to me in passing you know I

1007
00:50:58,070 --> 00:50:55,650
haven't

1008
00:51:00,830 --> 00:50:58,080
I hadn't seen Jeff in seven years and I

1009
00:51:02,380 --> 00:51:00,840
said why mark why didn't you see your

1010
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:02,390
brother in seven years and he said

1011
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:04,859
because I told him that I would see him

1012
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:08,940
at the morgue that was his response when

1013
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:11,910
we first spoke in July of 2000

1014
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,480
what did he mean by that Wow and I said

1015
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,760
what do you mean by that he said well I

1016
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:19,500
knew that somebody was gonna kill him

1017
00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:27,090
and I told himself so he said this to me

1018
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:29,180
before his brother died

1019
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:33,690
second thing wait I have one he is hard

1020
00:51:39,980 --> 00:51:35,250
to be clear he had said that seven years

1021
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,990
prior yes he had told that steam 2012-13

1022
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:42,480
he was telling his brother so gonna kill

1023
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:45,030
you according to mark Epstein in my

1024
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:48,210
conversation with mark Epstein the first

1025
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:51,030
week of the first week after his brother

1026
00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:53,610
is arrested Jeffrey Epstein is arrested

1027
00:52:02,750 --> 00:51:58,740
July 6 2009 teen I spoke to mark that

1028
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,760
week and he said this to me he was not

1029
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:05,760
Epstein was not dead or had not

1030
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:09,960
attempted his first suicide yet I was

1031
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:13,680
also in conversation with an active

1032
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:18,930
federal agent FBI agent and that first

1033
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:22,560
week when Epstein was arrested the agent

1034
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:29,490
said to me quote Epstein will not make

1035
00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:34,020
it to trial period there are towels on

1036
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:39,300
the inside period and I asked the agent

1037
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:41,370
what do you mean I was content what do

1038
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:42,990
you mean towels on the inside what does

1039
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:43,500
that mean

1040
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:48,180
and he said figure it out Conchita on

1041
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:52,290
August and Saturday well there was the

1042
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:55,530
first suicide attempt July 23rd and then

1043
00:53:00,970 --> 00:52:59,010
the second okay so just to break those

1044
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:00,980
two things comments down real quickly

1045
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:04,140
towels on the inside that to me means

1046
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,930
suicide is that what you would think the

1047
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,460
FBI agent was saying or is he saying

1048
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:10,680
homicide

1049
00:53:17,050 --> 00:53:14,640
no but you tells to them but there

1050
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:17,060
aren't tell you see the thing is that

1051
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:20,520
the inmates are not allowed towels there

1052
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:22,020
are a lot of towels when they take a

1053
00:53:24,730 --> 00:53:23,970
shower three times a week but the towels

1054
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:24,740
have to say

1055
00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:27,260
in the you know remember what his

1056
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:29,180
Selleck he was in the shoe unit I don't

1057
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:37,480
and back to what the brother said where

1058
00:53:45,730 --> 00:53:40,810
he tells Epstein you're gonna be killed

1059
00:53:48,130 --> 00:53:45,740
by whom well mark Epstein certainly

1060
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:48,140
didn't know I think or he certainly

1061
00:53:52,510 --> 00:53:50,180
didn't do me but but I mean think about

1062
00:53:54,010 --> 00:53:52,520
it I'm sorry but mark says that I told

1063
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:54,020
my brother seven years ago you're gonna

1064
00:54:01,180 --> 00:53:58,010
be killed okay that's what he said he

1065
00:54:03,550 --> 00:54:01,190
said I told Jeff that I would see him at

1066
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:03,560
the morgue and I said what do you mean

1067
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:06,260
mark and he said well because I knew he

1068
00:54:11,020 --> 00:54:08,510
would be killed by whom though do you do

1069
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:11,030
you think you did you know he didn't say

1070
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:12,740
but I mean clearly he thought something

1071
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:15,050
was swirling around that I didn't come

1072
00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:18,170
back absolutely and he also said to me

1073
00:54:24,190 --> 00:54:20,780
that Jeffrey did not allow him to

1074
00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:24,200
socialize with his friends so mark and

1075
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:28,340
Jeffrey did not socialize together mark

1076
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,690
is a married man with children and quite

1077
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:35,119
different than his brother in many in

1078
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:37,070
many aspects I think he loves his

1079
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:39,050
brother very much I have a feet you know

1080
00:54:44,290 --> 00:54:42,140
I when I talked to him I get the feeling

1081
00:54:47,859 --> 00:54:44,300
that he definitely you know loved and

1082
00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:47,869
admired his brother but they I don't

1083
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:51,590
think they were friends okay so we have

1084
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:53,930
Baden saying he thinks it may have been

1085
00:54:58,599 --> 00:54:56,810
homicide but other than that other than

1086
00:55:01,150 --> 00:54:58,609
speculation I'm not aware of any

1087
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,160
evidence I mean somebody had to have

1088
00:55:09,099 --> 00:55:04,160
gotten into that cell well without

1089
00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:09,109
leaving any sign of entry exits etc I'm

1090
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:10,550
going to tell you one thing that I'm

1091
00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:13,390
sure you already know but I'm going to

1092
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:17,240
hopefully remind you three doors from

1093
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:21,010
Epstein was Mexico's most notorious

1094
00:55:28,030 --> 00:55:25,850
cartel leader and chapo guzman he was

1095
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:28,040
three doors away from Epstein in the

1096
00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:34,010
shoe unit it is much too strange that

1097
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:36,950
the two female lawyers who signed

1098
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:38,510
Epstein's will

1099
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:43,150
and testament on August 8th 2019

1100
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:46,450
happened to have been in chapo Guzman's

1101
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:51,410
attorneys I spoke to one of them she

1102
00:55:57,730 --> 00:55:54,890
didn't want to comment miss : middle I

1103
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:57,740
spoke to her I called her because to me

1104
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:00,440
it was just shocking I've seen had no

1105
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:02,450
idea who these two female lawyers were

1106
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:07,610
before he went in to MCC he had three

1107
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:11,510
lawyers he had mr. Weinberg mr.

1108
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:17,540
Weingarten and and a third partner David

1109
00:56:23,530 --> 00:56:20,690
shone claims that he was in this

1110
00:56:26,170 --> 00:56:23,540
documentary David shown also claims that

1111
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,180
he was going to represent Epstein that

1112
00:56:32,290 --> 00:56:28,880
Epstein had agreed that is not the case

1113
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:32,300
I have emails from both mr. Weinberg and

1114
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:38,000
mr. shone telling me the truth of that

1115
00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:40,850
statement so the attorneys that did

1116
00:56:47,770 --> 00:56:43,430
Epstein's will had also been

1117
00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:47,780
representing El Chapo as one as you know

1118
00:56:50,830 --> 00:56:49,340
that that's a very specialized area of

1119
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,840
law to do a will and testament so

1120
00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:52,400
previously they were doing Chappelle

1121
00:56:55,690 --> 00:56:54,740
Chapo's will and testament yes but but

1122
00:56:58,510 --> 00:56:55,700
think about it

1123
00:56:59,890 --> 00:56:58,520
Epstein could have had anyone don't you

1124
00:57:03,850 --> 00:56:59,900
think he could have said to Martin

1125
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:03,860
Weinberg Marty get me the best wheel in

1126
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:07,100
a state attorney do you don't think mr.

1127
00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:10,430
Weinberg was capable of bringing in the

1128
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:14,470
top will in a state attorney yeah okay

1129
00:57:20,050 --> 00:57:18,110
why did did Epstein hire two attorneys

1130
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:20,060
he didn't know female attorneys

1131
00:57:27,070 --> 00:57:23,810
representing a trouble okay but I'm

1132
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:27,080
confused so your theory is what then as

1133
00:57:31,930 --> 00:57:28,520
to why he would have hired El Chapo's

1134
00:57:32,260 --> 00:57:31,940
attorneys well I think it goes deeper

1135
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:32,270
than that

1136
00:57:37,660 --> 00:57:35,270
I think Epstein wanted to disappear from

1137
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:37,670
the planet there's only one man who

1138
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:39,410
could have helped him disappear and he

1139
00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:44,930
was three cells cell doors away and so

1140
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:47,750
when you ask me about how could it have

1141
00:57:51,930 --> 00:57:50,270
happened on the inside you don't think a

1142
00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:51,940
man like in Chapel had

1143
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:53,800
all the contacts in the world on the

1144
00:58:01,850 --> 00:57:56,170
inside on the outside and everywhere

1145
00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:01,860
around to assist someone in murdering

1146
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:06,520
Epstein or helping him kill himself

1147
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:11,110
or however I mean just I don't want you

1148
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:12,730
know I don't usually believe in

1149
00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:15,690
conspiracy theories I try not to anyway

1150
00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:19,600
but just look at all the UH it's

1151
00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:21,550
suspicious no matter which way it comes

1152
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:25,300
out suicide is suspicious in bizarre and

1153
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:27,310
very very hard to believe that it could

1154
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:28,930
possibly happen in those circumstances

1155
00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:30,310
considering he had been on suicide watch

1156
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:32,560
it's in it attempted it before we said

1157
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:34,390
watch and the fact that I was told by a

1158
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:37,420
federal agent only days after he went

1159
00:58:44,970 --> 00:58:42,310
into jail I was told on the phone I you

1160
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,980
know I was told point blank he will not

1161
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,000
make it to trial